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Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:41 pm
by soundwave
I'm considering turning my 30+ gallon tank into a community setup with a single betta, a few cherry shrimps, and maybe some neon tetras or similar. I've done some research and I know bettas can be territorial, but I've been getting mixed advice. People keep telling me not to keep a betta in the tank, and the shopkeepers are pushing me to get angel fish instead. I've also thought about just keeping goldfish, like ranchus and orandas. This is my third time keeping fish, and I want to make sure I get it right this time. My first two attempts didn't go so well because I relied on the shopkeepers' advice without doing my own research. Now I'm stuck deciding between a betta, angel fish, or goldfish. I'm thinking shrimps and tetras would be a good combo, but I'm not sure which main fish to choose.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:52 pm
by sSjey
I would advise against keeping a betta with neon tetras. In my experience, bettas are not ideal community fish and do better on their own. While some bettas might coexist with shrimps, it's not a guarantee and some may see them as food.

As for angelfish, they require a larger tank than 30 gallons, so that's not a viable option for you. Goldfish, on the other hand, need a lot of space - 26 gallons for the first one and an additional 13 litres for each extra fish.

Considering your tank size, it seems a shame to have just one fish and maybe some shrimps. Are there other fish species you'd be interested in keeping that would thrive in a community setup? For instance, what's your water hardness like? Knowing that would help narrow down some options.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:03 pm
by coltin
Betta splendens, or Siamese fighting fish, are notorious for their territorial nature, and they will stop at nothing to defend their domain from other male Bettas. The problem is, they don't just view other male Bettas as threats - they also see brightly coloured fish as potential rivals for territory, habitat, or food, and will attack them without hesitation.

While some Bettas can coexist peacefully with other fish, others are more aggressive and will fight to the death to protect their territory. The issue is, you can't always tell which type of Betta you're getting - they can seem perfectly fine for weeks, even months, and then suddenly turn on their tankmates, leaving you to find dead fish floating in the tank. This unpredictability is why most people choose to keep them solo.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:39 pm
by boomer
It's disheartening to see the same misinformation being spread by online sources and pet store employees. Unfortunately, you're getting caught up in it.

Male bettas are not suited for community tanks, and adding other fish to their environment is a recipe for disaster. While it may work occasionally, the outcome is usually disastrous, either immediately or down the line. A 30-gallon tank is perfect for small schooling fish, but not with a betta in the mix.

As for angelfish, they're not a good fit for this setup either. These fish thrive in groups, and depriving them of that can lead to problems. Plus, they require a lot more space, considering they can grow up to six inches in body length, with an eight-inch vertical fin span. Males, in particular, can be quite territorial, which can cause a host of issues.

We're all echoing the same sentiments here, but I'd love to know more about your current setup. What fish do you already have, and what's the tank size? If you already have fish in the tank, we might need to work around that.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 11:07 pm
by lyrist
soundwave wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:41 pm I'm considering turning my 30+ gallon tank into a community setup with a single betta, a few cherry shrimps, and maybe some neon tetras or similar. I've done some research and I know bettas can be territorial, but I've been getting mixed advice. People keep telling me not to keep a betta in the tank, and the shopkeepers are pushing me to get angel fish instead. I've also thought about just keeping goldfish, like ranchus and orandas. This is my third time keeping fish, and I want to make sure I get it right this time. My first two attempts didn't go so well because I relied on the shopkeepers' advice without doing my own research. Now I'm stuck deciding between a betta, angel fish, or goldfish. I'm thinking shrimps and tetras would be a good combo, but I'm not sure which main fish to choose.
I had my short-finned betta, Pugsley, in a 36-gallon community setup with various peaceful fish like rasboras, tetras, corys, and kuhli loaches. He seemed to enjoy the company initially, but things took a turn for the worse. He started bullying the corys over food and eventually became quite aggressive, so I had to rehome him in a 10-gallon tank. Now, he's living with a single nerite snail and I've noticed he has a strong predatory instinct, devouring any shrimp that crosses his path. However, I do think a combination of shrimps and tetras or shrimps and rasboras would make for a lovely, harmonious tank.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 11:48 pm
by soundwave
sSjey wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:52 pm I would advise against keeping a betta with neon tetras. In my experience, bettas are not ideal community fish and do better on their own. While some bettas might coexist with shrimps, it's not a guarantee and some may see them as food.

As for angelfish, they require a larger tank than 30 gallons, so that's not a viable option for you. Goldfish, on the other hand, need a lot of space - 26 gallons for the first one and an additional 13 litres for each extra fish.

Considering your tank size, it seems a shame to have just one fish and maybe some shrimps. Are there other fish species you'd be interested in keeping that would thrive in a community setup? For instance, what's your water hardness like? Knowing that would help narrow down some options.
I'm not really familiar with the water hardness, to be honest. I did ask some shopkeepers about it, but they didn't seem to know what I was talking about. They mostly rely on experience and luck when keeping and selling fish here in Pakistan. I'll be able to check the pH soon, but I couldn't find anything to measure the hardness.

I'm not really interested in other types of fish, and I don't know many. I was thinking maybe I could keep a betta in a separate, smaller tank, and then have a community tank in the 30-gallon one. That way, I can still have the community setup I want, but also keep the betta happy and safe.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:08 am
by soundwave
boomer wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:39 pm It's disheartening to see the same misinformation being spread by online sources and pet store employees. Unfortunately, you're getting caught up in it.

Male bettas are not suited for community tanks, and adding other fish to their environment is a recipe for disaster. While it may work occasionally, the outcome is usually disastrous, either immediately or down the line. A 30-gallon tank is perfect for small schooling fish, but not with a betta in the mix.

As for angelfish, they're not a good fit for this setup either. These fish thrive in groups, and depriving them of that can lead to problems. Plus, they require a lot more space, considering they can grow up to six inches in body length, with an eight-inch vertical fin span. Males, in particular, can be quite territorial, which can cause a host of issues.

We're all echoing the same sentiments here, but I'd love to know more about your current setup. What fish do you already have, and what's the tank size? If you already have fish in the tank, we might need to work around that.
I just have an empty 30+ gallon tank right now. No fish to work around, thankfully. I still need to double-check the exact size, but that's the general idea.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:57 am
by soundwave
I just measured my tank and it's 36.9 gallons.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:04 am
by boomer
Considering your tank size, we have several options, but first, let's discuss the water parameters. General hardness (GH) is crucial for fish, followed by pH and then temperature. Since you're planning to use tap water, do you know the GH and pH levels of your source water? Knowing this will help narrow down our options, especially if your water is softish.

Re: Choosing the right tank mates for your betta.

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:31 am
by soundwave
boomer wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:39 pm It's disheartening to see the same misinformation being spread by online sources and pet store employees. Unfortunately, you're getting caught up in it.

Male bettas are not suited for community tanks, and adding other fish to their environment is a recipe for disaster. While it may work occasionally, the outcome is usually disastrous, either immediately or down the line. A 30-gallon tank is perfect for small schooling fish, but not with a betta in the mix.

As for angelfish, they're not a good fit for this setup either. These fish thrive in groups, and depriving them of that can lead to problems. Plus, they require a lot more space, considering they can grow up to six inches in body length, with an eight-inch vertical fin span. Males, in particular, can be quite territorial, which can cause a host of issues.

We're all echoing the same sentiments here, but I'd love to know more about your current setup. What fish do you already have, and what's the tank size? If you already have fish in the tank, we might need to work around that.
Our tap water comes from our own underground bore, we don't drink it regularly though, we mostly use mineral water for that. We've never checked its hardness, I'll see what I can do to find out. It's drinkable, we have drunk it in the past and still do occasionally.